Whispers Session 10 - Thomas Aquinas; Machiventa; Michael; Jesus - What Is Death Transition Like - Dec 09, 2012 - Trenton, NJ, Monjoronson.com
Whispers in The Stillness Session Ten Life After Death
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T/R: Paul Conklin
Paul, Opening Prayer: As always our dear Eternal parents we are so thankful that as a result of you three, beloved Father, Eternal Son, Infinite Spirit, that we are all here and that we live in this beautiful universe by the power of your eternal thought. We’re also grateful for the local universe we live in and our beloved divine parents, Christ Michael and Nebadonia, the vast host of children here in this universe; and again we are so grateful that we are alive as a result of them. So now we send our love to all those who are listening in, to Jerusem, to Edentia , to Salvington; and we’re also grateful, thankful that you have given your attention to us here on this little sphere, your little brothers and sisters and we are so grateful; and we thank you.
This evening I would like to discuss something that we all have to face here on this world; we have to face the eventuality of our own demise. Yet we know that to acquire that which is eternal it is necessary to let go of that which is mortal. Now, although I understand that each experience is unique I would like to know in general terms, of course, what is the transition to the mansion worlds like upon our death in the flesh; what is that like?
Machiventa Melchizedek: Good evening Paul, this is Machiventa Melchizedek. I would be honored here to take this question this evening for you.
Paul: Good evening Machiventa.
Machiventa Melchizedek: Good evening and to all those that receive this transmission in the future I’d say I bid you all hello and hopefully you will find this informative and also enlightening.
There are certain aspects of the process of suscitation that gives life such as your heart beating; it pumps blood throughout your body and many aspects of your body work conjointly together to produce your life vehicle of expression. Now specific to your question, because it is multi-faceted, I guess I could answer to the best of the ability as to the way the question was posed, and that is when you are dealing with death and the form of what you can understand as a mortal or a personality identified with the body, you would believe that maybe you would die and other people may believe that you are reincarnated and other people believe that that’s it, death is the ending.
Well, when you die, simply put, your vehicle of expression no longer can express itself; it no longer can function; it has expired. Therefore there has to be a mitigating factor that would continue. Upon your death your Adjuster goes to Divinington and these transactions happen so quickly. They happen so outside of the realm of mortal comprehension that the way that I could try to at least conceptualize this for you is; when you die, you, if you have reached the third psychic circle, you are in line to move into the mansion worlds.
Now the specific details of that transaction are forbidden to be brought forth in any kind of a way to the humans beings of your planet at this specific time; and the transactions that go on in Mansonia One and all the way up through (Mansonia)Seven. But what we can explain to you is the factor of persistence; and the factor of persistence is all of the things that were true, beautiful and good that you have done that mitigate your eternal soul have now come into possession of the understanding that it is continuing on; that nothing good, true and beautiful ever dies and that you are not separate from anything any longer; separation from the universe, from the celestials, from a vast host organized universe of your residency. This understanding sometimes takes people time to grasp. Takes them time to understand and embrace.
What I can explain to you is: The death of the mortal mind will give way to the birth of the cosmic mind into the understanding of the realms of moving forward as no longer being separate, but being an eternal soul, that is wholly unique, but is not separate from the whole. If you need further clarification we can get a little bit deeper into that, but any questions that you have specifically about this will be answered to the best of the ability of the celestials that are here present ; and also with the restrictions that are placed on all of us to bring forth this information back to your sphere of inhabitation.
Paul: Well I appreciate that answer very much Machiventa. That did bring some enlightenment on that issue. I am not going to pursue that specifically, but I definitely will develop something along those lines a little later on in another session.
Continuing on in that line of thought, I know that for me that when I lost my son it was very devastating and I felt very deep grief even though I knew that my son was alive and well on one of the mansion worlds. I am also aware of a friend of mine that is about to lose his wife and I can even feel that sense of hopelessness that he can’t save his wife.
So, my question is, even though I have the eyes of faith to know that when we die we go onto the mansion worlds, how is it possible for us if we have this faith but yet we still grieve? How is it possible to forgo that grief?
Jesus: Good evening my brother and my friend it is your brother in Spirit, Jesus. I would be very honored to take this question for you. To parallel it with my own experiential process that I lived out in the flesh as the Word incarnated; and I feel the great love that you share for our bond and our friendship and it is likewise reciprocated from me Paul and all also to all those that receive this information here.
When you look at death in the eyes of any aspect of understanding, we are trying to, because you’ve had a beginning, an end of what you’ve known as sixty, seventy, eighty, sometimes even less, twenty or thirty years on a planet that you are left behind struggling to put the pieces together after you lose someone. Your specific case Paul, and we won’t get into the specific details about that, but you have a concept of death.
Now because of what happened specifically on this sphere, because of the Adamic default and also because of the many other issues that have taken and thwarted the divine plan for the human race, you have a lot of things that are not in harmony right now. One of the things, especially collectively on a world such as you come from, is the view on death.
Death is the ultimate letting go or release of something that no longer can persist; be it a life; be it a state of being; even a form of consciousness. No matter what you call it, is an ending of something that no longer can persist. When you look at it through the eyes of love, especially when you love someone, if that someone was sick then and they die, then death has brought back the sickness to an ending and you are losing the body and also the sickness. But what persists beyond that is the memories; is the times that you have spent and shared with that individual.
Now what is backwards about the planet that you reside on, and I experienced this myself with Lazarus, is when the great lamenting happened over his death, it even drove me, because of the collective crowd around me, to tears myself; and even the angels pondered that because when I look and felt that great pain and sadness in the hearts of those around me it still shakes me to the core at that sense of ending, of loss. Being who I was and especially what I could understand at that particular point it would have been futile for me to understand or to try to explain that Lazarus was just sleeping. Or that Lazarus had ceased to exist as a body.
When you have this identification with losing something and never gaining it again there is a tragic loss. There is a sadness that is beyond words. One of the greatest things that disturbed me when I walked the earth was the view on death and how no one really understood the spiritual hierarchy in the universe. Now being who you are now Paul, you’ve had to go through some tremendous pain yourself. And you’ve had to go through very, very deep and sad time of thinking; if I could have done more. All of these things that are very personal between you and your son when you lost him.
Well, at the end of all that you have a reflection of certain aspects that you’ve lost. Jim is alive and well; he lives on; and he is alive and well where he is right now with us. Being a person and especially a personality that doesn’t understand connectivity of spiritual information and also the universal currents, circuitry, and knowing that my return happens personally in your own experience, gives way to the understanding that once you become connected again Paul then you really understand. That yes, maybe loved ones cannot send messages back to unconnected people from their sphere, which it states clearly in your Urantia book. But when you’re connected to the universe they don’t have to send you messages because you can hear them and they live on. You may not be able to see them, but they are existing in a higher place. They have persisted. They have chosen survival and they have moved on.
So, there is so much that can be covered in this one question, but it is in infinite proportions of never ending goodness, truth, beauty. Even one true, good, beautiful act as a human being that you portray, it will persist. If that gives anyone comfort to know that their loved ones will be embraced by the universe as if they were the only child in all creation that that will give you hope when you are ready to move on into the arms of the universal Mother and Father and also your progression of Spirit.
Paul: Thank you very much Jesus. That was a very beautiful answer and I know that you understand that you experienced like things during your life. So, thank you so much.
I would like to continue on with, although I understand that there are certain restrictions, so I will have to ask it and see what answer I am going to receive. When we die and awaken on the mansion worlds who is it that first greets us when we first awaken?
St. Thomas Aquinas: Good evening Paul. I would love to take this question. I haven’t been in contact with you before, but wholeheartedly intrigued and also by those that are willing to step forward when questions such as this are posed. I am as you would know, St. Thomas Aquinas.
Paul: Pleasure to meet you.
St. Thomas Aquinas: It’s a pleasure also to be here on this spiritual information. But to answer your question in a way that you can understand as a human being; especially when you’re on that side of the veil in the flesh and we have an understanding here; and it’s always a wholeheartedly joyous occasion when we have ones that are embraced by the great love of the universe when they cross over, so to speak, or they move over to this side of the veil.; and the first thing that you’re confronted with is that there is an understanding of the mind of the individual because the human mind has ceased to exist. The morontial or the cosmic mind is now persisting and that will give way to those great loving memories of all those that you’ve shared time with and even your celestials and your guides; and all those that you’ve made acquaintances with on the other side of the veil.
When you are welcomed home, so to speak, you are embraced and you are also met by everyone that has ever been touched by you or that you have ever touched on that side of the veil. Believe me when I tell you that is an unbelievable moment when you cross over and you see everyone waiting for you. Now the semantics of that are broad because we are no longer dealing with flesh. We are dealing with the other side of where you are. It can only be experienced in a magnitude of joy, of love, of fearlessness, of hope realized, of understanding that there was no death. There was nothing but a small transitional phase to bring you to a higher reality; to a higher state of being; and that your small journey on this sphere was one step in a very long progression of an adventure that will last for an eternity, for an infinity.
And just to give your mind peace and to brace your heart with the great love that you share Paul; to know that there are no words, that eye cannot see, nor ear can hear what the Paradise Father has in store for you. This first step is the absolute tip of the iceberg and it will astonish you; it will awe you; and moreover it will never be forgotten. It is very personal. There is no fear involved. It is complete and total acceptance, love and joy.
Paul: That was very beautiful St. Thomas. Thank you so much for bringing that out. I know many people will be touched by those beautiful words.
I’d like to continue on with the same subject of course. Especially I would like to direct this message to perhaps those who are in hospice care, of those who are their caretakers, and that is: Can you give us a brief glimpse of what life is life on the mansion worlds?
Machiventa Melchizedek: Hello Paul, this is Machiventa again. I would privileged to take this question myself.
When you’re dealing with the morontial reality and the transitioning phase and trying to explain a reality that is completely unheard of to the human mind. What I can explain to you, and this kind of parallels with what Thomas brought before me, and that is when you’re dealing with morontial reality, and we’re not even speaking of spiritual yet Paul we’re still just talking morontial reality. You have a morontial existence that encompasses as you have hearing, touching, feeling, sensing, smelling, and all of the senses that you carry in a human body, cease to exist and you’re realizing certain new senses that are not only forming, but coming into view. It is no different than when a baby, when it is in a crib and it is looking above it and has that carousel spinning above it. Now in the beginning of that it may be very blurry and it may just look like shapes or blurs to that child. But as its eyes become stronger and it begins to focus on those things hanging from those strings, from that carousel, begin to take shape and form. In that child’s mind it can start to put together the framework of what it could possibly be. Now it doesn’t have a name for it yet. It hasn’t been taught if it’s an animal or what the animal is or what it could possibly be. It’s just seeing something it couldn’t be seeing before.
Now when you awaken on the morontial worlds, the mansion worlds, it is no different than that. It is an awe-inspiring moment where you are taken in by such beauty and grandeur of love, of acceptance, of sights and sounds and senses that you realize that you do not even know how to use yet. That it is a whole specific different reality that you walk into. A dimension that hadn’t existed until this point. Where all the parts of you that no longer you serve you have ceased to exist. The eternal parts of you are persisting because you have chosen survival. It’s just a beautiful moment. It’s beyond because you’re so used to dealing with human vision, dealing with understanding how to see primary colors mixed with one another. I could get into the perception and beauty of the morontial colors but it would completely elude your human mind because you wouldn’t understand it yet. So, you’re going to be faced with beauty that is going to be inexplicable; it is inexpressible in concept even to me. I don’t have words to formulate even to begin to bring forth beauty and the reality that is awaiting all of you when you cross over.
But to hone your question a little bit further about the hospice care and those that are taking and tendering and helping people to cross over, paralleling what master Jesus said earlier, when you’re dealing with death, the only thing that you can really do is to put the mind at ease for the transition. Nothing in the universe ever dies Paul. Nothing ever ceases to exist. What happens is transformation, transmutation, transfiguration; and when that happens a whole new reality comes to be. It is no different than the Lucifer rebellion. The rebellion happened. It didn’t cease to exist. It is in the process and has been, transmuted, transfigured, transcended and also corrected. So, all of the values within the teaching experience persist and also the values that teach all of those that will learn these things from it. So, that’s just to parallel a little bit about the transitioning and the aspect of what I can answer from your question.
Paul: I appreciate that explanation Machiventa. I know that it is also going to be helping a lot of people that are coping with that situation right now. I am very appreciative.
I would like to continue along with this line of thought. I know Father Michael that you faced grief and sorrows when you were here in the flesh. You lost your father Joseph, who died in a construction accident, and you were just a teenager, and you became head of the household while you were still struggling with your grief. So, I would just like to know what is the purpose of our experiencing sorrows while we live in the flesh?
Jesus: Once again this is Jesus. I would love to try to clarify at least from my perception. I do feel the great love that you have once again Paul. I am reciprocating that to you now. Hopefully, those that receive these words will know that I am here for all of you. If you ever want to connect with me I am always with you when you think about you or when you are in moments of need or when you simply want to celebrate with me. I am there.
When you’re dealing with, once again we have to go back to the root of your question, and the question has to deal with a reality that is separate from God. The ability of a God -minded individual when they lose someone or they lose someone, even their father, when they lose anything that is very special to them, they are faced with, trying to identify with an illusionary, almost nightmare-like scenario.
When you are dealing with sorrow, you have the echo of a reciprocation of, no longer being able to see, to experience or to spend time with someone that you can be with and relate to in the flesh; and just everyday life. When it is a family member or when its someone that you are very close with you have to go over all of the feelings that you’ve shared. All of the fears that you’ve entertained when you think about that one that has moved on. If they are OK. If you will ever see them again. Is God really real? Is there a heaven? When you are faced with these realities as a human being you also experience great pain because you’re not, you haven’t been taught, especially on a world like Urantia, the proper way to view death.
On worlds settled in light and life and in the higher worlds that are coming into light and life, death is a celebration. It is a graduation. It is looked upon with great joy and great hope. To know that their brothers and sisters and those that they’ve shared their life with have moved into the higher spheres in the higher realms. But when you’re dealing with a world that has been isolated by rebellion and also cut-off, you have to understand that the programming and also the separation is so deeply ingrained within, not only your genetic code, but within every aspect and institution of your world. To almost aggrandize sorrow and pain like it’s almost a portion or a part of the process; and many times it is. But the reason, and we’ll get to the root here of your question, that when you are a human being you feel these things is because you cannot assimilate eternal infinity and going on into heaven; and heaven is somewhere out there to many human beings on your sphere. It is away from them. It is up in the stars or it’s up in the clouds. It’s out there; and there is no definitive place to say where they have gone. There is no where that you can put your finger on to say whether they are here or they are there.
Well, a realized individual, or any one that can tell you that has reached a certain state of consciousness, is, heaven is, is the realm of you and your consciousness. So, you carry on and persist with Jim’s love and that love keeps him alive; and my love for you keeps you alive; and your love for Michael keeps Michael alive. Love is the blood of the universe. It is the reality that ties and holds everything together. Because without love nothing could exist. And love cannot be expressed in a concept, as was brought out before, it can only be felt and experienced; and when you no longer can see or identify with that human being it almost feels like that love has died; it’s gone. You can’t grab a hold of it any longer. You can’t hold it to you. You can’t keep it. So letting it go is actually a transformation and a freeing to allow it to move on to a higher state; and your love that you hold inside for that person allows them to move on. So, hopefully that clears that up for you a little bit.
Paul: Again that was a very beautiful answer Jesus and I appreciate the love you’ve shown this evening and not just for me and so many will benefit from these beautiful things.
We also know that the loss of our loved one’s in death means joy for them. They begin to see life in all its beauty and in its majesty. We know that for all of our grief we know that this too shall pass. We know that to acquire eternal life, that which is mortal must die and return to the dust of the ground. Isn’t it true that what we see as a tragedy, a death of a loved one, is the triumph of eternal love?
Jesus: It is the, and I will take this question again, and this is is still Jesus, I would love to answer this, it is the ultimate, as you put it, triumph of love, when you’re dealing with knowing that they are no longer confined in a singular form of expression. The triumph when your question has posed this aspect has come from winning the battle of the race of life. Paul of Tarsus spoke of running the race; and when you run the race of life you come to the end , you triumph in, not death, but graduation to another form of expression that is higher. That is not limited to one vehicle. You are dealing morontially, you’re dealing with, and even spiritually, you are dealing with an unlimited expressionable aspect and you’re no longer limited in any mindset, way, shape or form. You can be somewhere, but by thinking it. You can be, not only, drawn to someone’s great love, but you’re not confined to stay by just that one person. You can be in multiple places at multiple times. This morontial aspect is starting to gain a small portion of light. I see that twinkling in your mind’s eye, my son, when you hear this. You are starting to understand that the one form was the chrysalis or the cocoon to emerge into the higher form of beauty and to spread your wings. Because before that butterfly emerged it could only crawl on the ground or up a tree. But when you transition and triumph you can now spread your wings and fly in beauty. In a way that can only be understood by certain ones on your sphere now that are assisting in this great correcting time that is going on with the morontial, material blending.
So, to answer your question I would say yes, absolutely, it is the ultimate triumph of love, for not only the human being to move on, but also for all of its family members to see them again in a higher realm.
Paul: I appreciate that very much Jesus. They were very beautiful answers you brought through this evening. I certainly send my love to everyone that came through tonight; and I would just like to ask if there is anyone that would like to make any concluding comments before we close?
Christ Michael: And yes my son, this is your Creator Father Michael.
Paul: Good evening Michael.
Christ Michael: It is an honor to be here in such a wonderful format of explanation of concepts such as death. We’re dealing with concepts here Paul. You know you’re getting a very, very, stringent lesson on concepts. But when you look at the word ‘death’ you’re looking at a word that defines something that isn’t real. And the word ‘death’ is the complete and utter cessation of life. Mother Spirit spoke about the telescopic effect, of how from the Paradise Father all the way down to even you holding a Thought Adjuster, being on the lowest order of being, to the highest form of expression being that seventh or the Absolute reality of Paradise or the Universal Father or what have you; is there is never an end. Because there is only a continuous flow of the outpouring of love from God’s thought.
The only end is dreaming away with free will, creating a reality that isn’t real, based on unreality or illusion, such as pain, sorrow, and all of the things that God cannot be, that are created in a separated state. When you’re dealing with concepts, especially when you’re trying to bring them out in a world such as you’ve come from that has been so marred by separation. The only thing that we can do here, and ones such as yourself, is to pour out our love; is to give to the best of our ability, a connection. To all those that have an ear let them hear. To all those that really, truly desire to receive spiritual information, they shall receive it; and many people will receive this; and they’ll feel the truth of it in their hearts; and they’ll know, maybe one person that’s reading it right now will get it. They’ll say, ‘wait a minute, you mean I’m not separate any longer? You mean to tell me that I’ve been connected and that I’ve been creating this whole reality away from connectivity? And all I have to do is to awaken from this nightmare or this dream away from Source, from the universe? We’re all here waiting. As this world awakens we are here awaiting for each and every one and eagerly anticipating for their arrival into this realm of understanding. And as always for all of those that receive this and also for you my son, I leave you in my peace and I wish you all a good night.
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