Aaron; Elyon; Machiventa - Fostering New Groups - Oct 12, 1993 - Spokane WA
Teachers:
Attending:
October 12, 1993
* Aaron: From the beginning of this effort I have been truly amazed at the levels of kindness that I perceive from those who are truly seeking for something within.
I extend welcome. I am Aaron. Thank you for being here tonight. I would ramble on, but there are friends to speak. I have previously given a message that can be distributed. Welcome to my friends Nolus and Jeremiah. The rest of you are old hat. (Laughter.) So now I would allow. Welcome.
* Elyon: This is Elyon. I greet you tonight and I come to say hello, for we have been engaged before. I would offer you Nolus, my appreciation for your courage and strength in giving so long ago, but not so long, the catalyst for my group becoming willing to see and to hear the message that I would deliver. I only come to express this appreciation and my thanks to both of you for your bravery in your outreach.
N: May I ask a question today please, of you Elyon?
* Elyon: Yes.
N: Last time we were coming around we really had many things that we were able to offer the group, but this year it seems that as we come around, we are more in need for ourselves and for our groups more than we are giving. Do you have any words of encouragement that maybe would help our group this year?
* Elyon: This is necessary, this growth that is occurring now. It seems frayed and somewhat worn to some. In your willing party there is a disenchantment, a frustration, for there are many ideas for continuing positively, but there is no one that can decide.
As a group of people I would recommend that you define your levels of willingness openly in a conversation. This is not the time to hold back. (Deleted personal part.) Communication I see as being the most important area of focus. Does this answer you?
N: It does answer my question, so I guess it's maybe in the backs of a lot of people's minds, but we're just so timid about thinking to do it, but I guess in this travel we've had a lot of confirmation about that, so I guess maybe it needs to be something we focus on and look into more. It's helpful to hear it from an outside teacher. Thank you very much.
(Deleted more personal information.)
J: (Edited) Teacher Elyon I have a question. I'm Jeremiah.
In the beginning with the teacher group, transmission group, the lessons are at different levels, so different spiritual levels can be accommodated. New people coming in can get certain things out of the lessons and people who are already developed somewhere and listen to lessons for quite awhile can also absorb out of those lessons there, so it's best to sort of keep the groups together.
Can you talk about the dynamics of when is best to form groups, separate groups, and when to keep the groups unified in both time as well as in the beginning, later, and also according to different types of personalities involved in these groups? Can you discuss that please?
* Elyon: When the level of doubt reaches to a point where personal affronts occur, when people choose on the basis of who tells the most appealing message, when you are so willing to love and be tolerant, yet in your own being you know that through this willingness a solution cannot be achieved that is desirable, then you must formulate a new goal.
I would like to speak in great detail about these dynamics fostering working groups for truly that is the goal of the initial stages of this mission, but sometimes you have to know what is right and you have to decide to do something strong to support what you believe in.
If you see that there is no salvable solution, then you must seriously consider what you can do to keep your inner peace. Does this help you?
J: Yes it does very much. Thank you teacher.
* Elyon: You're welcome. I would gladly share my thoughts with you any time that you would want and feel that it is no burden to call for advice and understanding. I hold you dearly to myself and if you see what can happen when those with like desires work together, then your decisions will be eased. Don't feel that stress needs to be a major part of your goals. This outreach is not supposed to be difficult. It should be held with joy also. I thank you for coming here.
J: Thank you and we'll be happy to call on you when we're back home in Utah. We enjoy you very much and we've known you now for over a year.
* Elyon: And I will see you tomorrow hopefully. (Coeur D'Alene gathering.) Friends.
* Machiventa: Good evening. I am the Melchizedek you know well and I come on this completion of the cycle of your group's activities, to salute you. You have all extended in commitment to the degree that you have gained success in the mission activities. I recognize that commitment within you that you individually place before our God of all, and I see in this grouping a bonding of a social commitment.
I would encourage all to seek this togetherness and to trust in the supremacy of such a grouping even when the external circumstances do not simply portray the case.
The beauty of our universal makeup is that individuality is maintained while we all experience the uniting, the one family quality of the Supreme. And in this individual and all interplay, doubt and confusion may arise in regards to what appears as fragmentation. Trust that all is working in harmony toward this unfoldment and that the individuals that leap about seemingly independently are very much coordinated.
Always look deep within yourself to the Father source for your own stamina, direction, energy, motivation, commitment, and look with the eye of discernment toward the God Supreme as you reach out to those around you and seek to gain the harmony of brotherhood. In Her you will gain the trust of togetherness, of fraternity, of a unity in spite of individuality, of a cohesiveness that maintains your sovereignty and the sovereignty of all.
I thank you my children for working with me and our Sovereign Son. The faith that you have extended in this outreach program is a noble faith and it is a good mark in your ascension achievements. On this occasion I would receive from you comment. I would be willing to dialogue as this year has brought you to the point of accepting the many surprises that occurred.
N: Can you please tell us what part does criticism play in the dynamics of a group?
* Machiventa: Criticism on its own is neutral, however as it gets applied it becomes polarized rather immediately. A good critic is one who can discern the flaws or frailties of a situation and guide those involved towards building and strengthening and achieving a good result, much like your skilled art and music critics. And yet as you are aware, there is a form of criticism that drives wedges, splits, and cleaves, destroys, halts the momentum underway, and you have in your culture many an artist who sits with uncompleted objects due to careless criticism.
Criticism can shine light on a situation when extended with the eye of help, with the arm of upholding. Perhaps the better word is needed to differentiate.
As you recall this evening the phrase, "Wise as serpents, harmless as doves." That applied to criticism would be bonding.
Would you have more?
N: Yes. What I'd really like is to have a role model right here. I would love it. The Melchizedeks... (Tape was sped up due to batteries dying, so voice was really hard to make out.)
* Machiventa: Our efforts in assigning teachers to you all is, in a way, to bring this about, though having walked with you I realize the difficulty standing on your end. The requirement of faith, the lack of visible abilities to discern your morontia companions.
Where there is no emulator, no example, I encourage you to become that example, to provide your brothers and sisters with the very things you desire and this may cause a chain reaction amongst you all and an upliftment of our planet and I would be very happy.
J: Prince Machiventa, I have a question. Some groups when they do split up, they split up kind of harshly. Can you give some guidelines on the best possible way, if a group does feel they must pursue forming into other groups? Is that best to do in outright discussion with everybody? Is that best to start other groups on the side? Is it best to have elements of secrecy about it?
I know sometimes in some groups that has brought troubles, although if you discuss sometimes you can talk honestly with some people, although with everybody you cannot always open up all the way. What guidelines can you give for discussing such topics?
* Machiventa: In a word: flexibility. At greater length, the ideal is for the entire group to come to a consensus. However you have done well in expressing some of the various avenues of approach when group consensus is not attainable.
The Master would often draw the apostles off by themselves for private consultation and group strengthening before engaging with even the disciples or evangels who traveled with them, and these were a circle within a circle. You do need to take into confidence your trusted friends and through the seeking of group wisdom, come to a decision as to how to approach the larger mass, but it is the path you must traverse on your own.
You must be flexible. Try all avenues, and since this planet has been disrupted in the normal progress of evolution and much of society's skills are lacking in cooperation, you may need at some point to simply kick off the dust and begin anew. But I would encourage you to seek to bend and flex with all in an attempt to provide the grounds for everyone to be nourished.
These are descendant in what may be simply personality hunger for power or manipulation. Always provide the counter truth, of cooperation, of harmony and of placing truth high above any gain toward self. Has this been helpful?
J: Yes it has. I also get the impression that since our planet has been mismanaged, and it has really had no planetary government from rebellion, it seems like a lot of things we got into, even though they might be traditional, we're used to doing things certain ways, and that even though it might be traditional it doesn't mean it's right. Will the teaching mission be approaching some of these problems in a new light, like other places have that are more normal, in the future?
* Machiventa: Yes. Our mission here is to discern how best to educate the forward looking souls and one day we will be amongst you to facilitate the process directly. I know the hardship that is experienced in the seekers who hold to the high ideal.
I would recall to your attention the portrayal of my good friend Abraham when we were together in the flesh and he would charge into the next city to spread the message by sword and by force, and to illustrate that his zeal, though misdirected, did not harm him in his ascent, as he stands with me today in service.
The amazing spectacle of Urantia is that this planet was able to grow in spite of the difficulties and it will be corrected over time, more rapidly as we undergo this process. The traditions, the conceptual frameworks, the social organizations you have will change. Much is changing today and is causing distress amongst the factions of your societies. Let us work together toward the inevitable.
J: Thank you for stopping by to be with us.
* Machiventa: And I thank you for being with me. I will be with you again. Farewell for now.
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