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Monjoronson Conversations #65 and #66 - Nov 30 and Dec 04, 2012 - Daniel Raphael, Colorado

Conversations with Monjoronson #65 – Discerning validity of new information being posted – Nov. 30, 2012


  • The development of events is quickening
  • The ABC Summaries
  • Confusion over recent predictions
  • These predictions are not congruent with the Universal Father’s plans
  • This self-deception is similar to the situation of the Lucifer Rebellion
  • Discernment is a primary responsibility of each mortal
  • State what is consistent with God’s rule of the universe
  • Cleaning up the mess of Caligastia and Lucifer
  • The safety of the archives
  • The movement is very fragile at this point
  • The Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are two distinct parts
  • Did the plan include those from the TeaM to participate in the MM?
  • Mortals must see God as the Leader, not other mortals
  • God-centeredness is the fundamental tenet of the Teaching Mission
  • Confusion is lazy thinking
  • Our “real leaders” are not human leaders
  • Recreating our cultures from within
  • Asking those revealing questions and exposing vulnerabilities
  • Our “rocks” of steadfastness

TR:  Daniel Raphael
Moderator:  Michael McCray

[Note from Charles on Dec. 4, 2012:

“This is Charles.  We wish you to delay publishing #65 until after the first of the year.  You may determine this to be a humanly cowardly thing to do, but it is the most prudent in view of the tremendous program and social damage that would otherwise accrue.  The delay will assure the soundness of this transmission, which would not be validated for mortals until the clock and calendar have accomplished their work.  Even publishing it after the first of the year will cause immense damage to those who are peripherally interested in the Correcting Time.  Mortals seek consistency in all that is associated with God and God’s work.  This will never occur as long as this program has the co-creative relationship at its core of operation.  The validity of Christ Michael’s work in this co-creative relationship can and only will be validated in the years, decades and centuries ahead through its good works.  This is why you are called Agondonters – your work in faith that God’s ‘good’ will prevail, even without personal and conscious evidence of His presence.  Lastly, you are welcome to post this note to #66 and #65 when they are published.  s//Charles, Mighty Messenger to the Triumvirate of Christ Michael/Nebadonia, Machiventa Melchizedek, and Monjoronson.”]
November 30, 2012

Prayer:  Heavenly Father, Michael, Nebadonia, we ask you to draw near and bless our session today with our Avonal Son and his staff.  We give our thanks for all that you do for us.  Amen.

MONJORONSON:  Good morning, I am here.

MMc:  Good morning.  Before we get started, is there anything that you would like to share with us?

The development of events is quickening

MONJORONSON:  Only that the development of events is quickening its pace.  The vibration of your world is increasing, which causes greater dissonance with lower energies.  It causes difficulties with those people who entertain those negative energies of thought and emotion and psyche.  Thank you.

The ABC Summaries

MMc:  About a year ago, I came to you and asked questions off the record about the ABC Summaries.  Those sessions were very helpful for me, at least to help me understand how those summaries deviated from the universal standard.  They were in error in many respects and at the time, not wishing to embarrass their creator(s), we waited to publish the majority of those sessions until after the first of the year.  Well, here it is at the end of another year and we have more predictions and more dire predictions from the same individual or individuals.  I can see the same type of deviation from the universal standard in their work.  You are familiar with this, of course?  (Monjoronson:  Of course.)  Would you like to comment about it before I go on?

MONJORONSON:  (Long pause.)  Please proceed with your questions.

Confusion over recent predictions

MMc:  I for one have stopped paying attention to these predictions; in fact, I have stopped paying attention to whatever comes out of this source.  There are others who agree with me, and still another group who are confused.  It is for this group who are confused that I am concerned for, and for the individuals who are putting out this disinformation.  What is the extent of  [the author’s] confusion?

MONJORONSON:  I would like to step back from discussions about  [the author] at this time, and retrace your steps a moment ago when you talked about those who know that these predictions are not congruent with the universe and the development of universal plans by our Father, the First Source and Center and Creator.  You spoke then of the group who are confused and your concern for this group, and you skipped from that to talking about [the author.]  Let us first discuss in more detail those who are confused, as it is this group who is of concern to us.

MMc:  I believe that [the author,] and the individuals that he is involved [with,] that are putting out this disinformation, are also in this group that is confused.

These predictions are not congruent with the Universal Father’s plans

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you are correct.  What is of most concern to us, concerning this confused group of people who publish this material, is the primary individual who does not question these statements that come from him.  He is the archivist for thousands of transcripts, which have been dedicated to the truth, the consistency of which is evident throughout the totality of them, with only minor exceptions, and yet one who has read these thousands of transcripts is now producing transcripts and statements from himself which are gravely in error, and at greatest variance from the mass of material that has been stored in that archive.

The gravest situation is that he is not questioning his own thinking, or questioning these statements that come through him and comparing them to the vast body of truth in the archives.  He is also not questioning those statements that came through him one year ago, which were proven to be in error after the first of the year when those predictions failed to come forth as truth.  This tells us that the mind mechanism of this individual is gravely out of adjustment and is no longer trustworthy to convey truth as it is incapable of examining and assessing what comes through him.  This is a grave situation as these transmissions have been distributed to thousands of individuals [which] approximates 11,000 – 12,000 people who have been or will be influenced by these erroneous statements.

I discuss these things with you now, only because you raised the question.  It is not our place to raise these issues unilaterally, but that you have raised the questions and so we answer them.  We, as you know, have been very passive to be active and forward in this work.  We wait for our mortal cohorts to ask questions, to engage a co-creative relationship and then begin the long lifetime conversation of living faith and action in their lives with us.

This self-deception is similar to the situation of the Lucifer Rebellion

The next grave situation is the individuals who are part of publishing of these erroneous documents and statements have come to accept these as valid and truthful, and have disregarded last year’s spate of also erroneous publications.  This is self-deception, which is typical of many mortals who wish to affirm what they believe by selectively accepting those statements and publications which support their point of view, with neglect and disregard other statements which may bring those erroneous beliefs into question.  This is very similar to the situation of the Lucifer Rebellion where thousands and hundreds of thousands of spiritual beings, who had been created and brought into existence, did not exercise their capability of discernment.  This is why discernment is of paramount importance in our teachings to you, and the workshops and classes that have been promoted by us.  Discernment is necessary by everyone in God’s Universe to hold the light of God—literally the light of God—against all statements that they hear during their existence, which may be for millions of years.

Discernment is a primary responsibility of each mortal

Next, the issue is that those who do discern, and who do know the difference between truth and untruth, and this tremendous variance of statements, which are inconsistent with the Will of God and the good of the universe, do not question this, but they let this come forward to sully the thoughts of those who are gullible and naïve, and who are less capable of mind to question these issues.  Your raising this issue in this conversation is of primary responsibility and shows that you have a discerning mind, one of leadership in capacity to question the acts, thoughts and publications of others.  This takes tremendous courage, as there is a social conscience in this community of the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission, which acts against the light of God through withholding their courage to make these facts known.  Social conscience of others in a group is very powerful, it is very similar to peer pressure that teenagers experience.  Social conscience of a large body of individuals is negatively reinforced through a lack of challenge.  There is a statement by one of your social philosophers, which states that “Lies can maintain themselves as long as men of righteousness say nothing.”  Therefore, saying something about this situation allows us to operate powerfully with you, to support this revelation of light concerning these publications.

You may think that my statements are strong and that they are critical; they are strong, but they are not critical.  We do not criticize or castigate or denigrate any of those who have published these materials.  The strength of these statements I am providing are for those individuals who are confused of mind and who have truly not developed the skills of discernment to apply the light of God’s truth to all statements and all publications.  Does this make sense so far?

MMc:  Certainly.  You covered a lot of ground and I’ve got questions that I’d like to ask at the end, but I can ask them here just as well.  The question is:  Should I be speaking out more in those venues that I am aware of that speak of this information from these sources?

State what is consistent with God’s rule of the universe

MONJORONSON:  We would advise you to not speak so much of opinion, as what is right and what is consistent with God and God’s rule of the universe, and the process of evolution and development in human activities.  You can state these things by simply saying that these statements are vastly inconsistent with what has been said before.  Do you understand the gist of and direction of my advisement?

MMc:  Yes, I do.  Rather than being critical of it, just simply state that it’s not consistent with what we’ve seen before, and ask that the individuals make their own determination.

MONJORONSON:  That is correct.  It is one thing to assess and evaluate and discern the message; it is quite another thing to then say something opinionated about the individual who made those statements.  Quite literally, they are very distinct from one to the other.  There is a quality of relationships in the universe which everyone respects—everyone except those who are new to universe social relationships, that the message is not the messenger, and vice versa.

MMc:  Yes, I agree.  The other question is: can we use this publicly, or should we continue in the private mode for the moment?  And that should be a question that is asked at the end of our session today.

Cleaning up the mess of Caligastia and Lucifer

MONJORONSON:  Let us deal with it in real time at this moment, please.  We would not be serving God’s Truth if we did not publish this material.  It may, however, be edited by yourselves to remove naming names, and to make it “socially sanitary,” but we would be doing less than Christ Michael’s work to not continue to clean up the mess of Caligastia and Lucifer.  We would be doing less in diligence if we did not share this information.  We are still in the clean up process and we would not want to maintain any lack of clarity.  We want to be wholly consistent with Christ Michael’s mandate to move forward, and not to let these smudges of darkness become larger than they are.

MMc:  Understood.

MONJORONSON:  We can deal with the other issues which are more privately held, and you can make the decisions during the edit process of what to publish and what not to.

The safety of the archives

MMc:  Are the archives safe?

MONJORONSON:  No, they are not.  The archives have been a continuing, festering sore to our administration for quite some time, in that they could be sacrificed almost overnight, because of their electronic nature and their fragility of storage.  We had tried to forestall this by having [the] archive mirrored in an off-site location that would be operationally separated from the archives mechanisms in Pennsylvania.  This has not been clearly completed, and therefore, any mirrored images that exist now are also susceptible to compromise.  Do you understand?

MMc:  I hear you; yes.  I was involved with trying to set up those mirrored images.  The biggest problem is funding.

MONJORONSON:  Even $1,000 in multiple terra-byte hard drives would be of great assistance, if they were simply copied—just the contents were copied onto those drives.

MMc:  Simply someone going in and copying the archives at this point in time, and holding them for a future time when they no longer become available, or they’ve been sacrificed, would be very helpful, I understand.

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  It is one thing to store a document if it is simply text, and does not involve pictures and graphics and so on.  It is the operational system that is very large, that manages those documents.  It would be helpful if there were simply a copy of all the documents in archives, much as you would see copies of books and manuscripts in a library.

MMc:  Let us speak more about this in the future.

MONJORONSON:   We hope that you see then, how we have been striving to safeguard the work that we are doing for Christ Michael, that we have back-up systems.  However, what has happened with the TMarchives is that this was a mortally initiated activity, which gathered our support, and we earnestly have supported it and continue to do so, while at the same time striving to protect it.  Your little movement is very, very fragile.  It is a new “rosebud in a snowstorm,” so to speak, in that its viability is truly questionable, and that it has not even taken into account for itself the principles of social sustainability and the three core values.  One thing must develop after another, and therefore, this product of the Teaching Mission and the introduction of these missions to the planet, has been one where you would state, “Well, do we introduce the chicken or the egg?”  And so, we have introduced the “egg” and have let it grow in its embryonic state.  It has been only very recently—we would not say years, but in months—only recently has it begun to break out of its shell to become strong enough to stand on its own.  It is the viability of this young chick as a cultural phenomenon that will eventually change the whole of your civilization that is very tender and very fragile.  To lose these documents would be a travesty, but not impossible to replace over time.  It is time that is against us now, that we must be effective in all our movements, without loss of projects or missions or accomplishments that we have achieved so far with you.  Thank you.

MMc:  Were you indeed done, or was there more?

MONJORONSON:  I am finished with this thought.  There are more thoughts available, but let us continue on, my friend.

The movement is very fragile at this point

MMc:  The number of workers are few and the movement, as you say, is fragile.  It is only now starting to branch out.  I agree.  It hasn’t developed a sustainable look; the people that are leaning on the area of the Teaching Mission are not happy with the Magisterial Mission and I’m afraid that is partially a problem with a person that they see as head of the Magisterial Mission—at least the [person who is considered by some to be the] human “head” of the Magisterial Mission.

The Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are two distinct parts

MONJORONSON:  Most unfortunate!  These are two very distinct missions.  The first is for the personal spiritual upliftment and education—and even training of individuals—whereas the second, the Magisterial Mission is for the social upliftment and training and education of the masses of social organizations on your planet.  This lack of distinction or discernment is partially our fault, as we did not emphasize this distinction in the beginning, and secondly, it was integrated into the same database as the Teaching Mission or the archives, which gave it the look or functionality of the Teaching Mission, which, of course, it is definitely not.  Over time, meaning decades and centuries, this distinction will be eminently clear, and the distinction will be very useful to those who come later.  We are not going to worry about that, but move forward aggressively, with the social efforts to uplift your cultures, then your social organizations—both governmental and non-governmental, commercial and private, and otherwise.

MMc:  [With] the personnel in the Teaching Mission, was there ever a plan that those persons that benefited from the Teaching Mission would take part in the Magisterial Mission also?

Did the plan include those from the TeaM to participate in the MM?

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  There is truly a need for people who have evolved spiritually in the Teaching Mission to become the proponents of social architecture in your world, with us co-creatively.  We need individuals who have proven their steadfastness in faith, as an individual, and these people become the draftsmen, the architects with us in designing and bringing into existence your new social structures.  Does this answer your question?

MMc:  Yes.  Can you see the rub here is that… as I said, the individuals in the Teaching Mission, or at least those leaders that I can see, identify [a certain individual] with the Magisterial Mission, and because of that, they will not participate in the Magisterial Mission.  (Monjoronson:  I understand.)  I believe that was what I said in the first place.  Yes, I can see that these are two different organizational entities.

Mortals must see God as the Leader, not other mortals

MONJORONSON:  Let me add clarity to your situation.  Once again, mortals are confused in mind about who their leaders are.  They must see God as the primary image and archetype of personality, and as a source of all good, and discontinue looking to organizational heads as representing that archetype.  This is simply very primitive thinking, and inappropriate, particularly for those individuals who are striving to enlighten this world.  To identify a mortal as representing our organization is clearly erroneous.

MMc:  Very good.  Can you say a little bit more on that?

God-centeredness is the fundamental tenet of the Teaching Mission

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  Let me move sideways for a moment:  There will always be confused people, and truly, confusion is often a choice mortals make to avoid taking sides or finding the most effective route forward.  Being confused allows one to avoid the responsibility of their own life to take charge and move ahead.  Confusion is a state of ineffectualness for all concerned.  We have striven in the Teaching Mission to make the fundamental tenets of God-centeredness very, very simple and very, very clear, and that if one accepts these and actually integrates them into their living process of thinking, speaking, and deciding and taking action, then this indecision, this uncertainty, this confusion would be non-existent.

Confusion is lazy thinking

The state of confusion is actually due to lazy thinking, [which comes because] the individual has either not been trained to be an effective thinker, or does not have the mind mechanism mature enough to make those kinds of decisions.  In that regard, there will always be confused individuals, but they are innocent as children.  Children are confused as well; they are confused because they are ignorant, they haven’t been made aware of all the factors—or the significant factors—for making decisions.  They haven’t been trained in the art of discernment or the art of inquiry as to how to ask competent and capable questions to reveal clarity and develop clarity in the topic that is being discussed.  Lazy thinking simply avoids asking questions and accepts what is given to them from any and every source that is in fair agreement with their history of thinking and decision-making.  There is not much to be done about this, except to love them and accept them and wait for them to cross over to begin again their educational process to come into full enlightenment to the point where they can make a conscious, intentional decision about whether to continue on the ascendant journey or give it up.  Our patience is perennial, it is millennial, it perhaps borders on eternal for some of us, and so we will not give up on those who are confused.

Our “real leaders” are not human leaders

MMc:  So our real leaders are you, Machiventa, Michael, Nebadonia, the Father, and not our human leaders in this ongoing quest during the Correcting Time.

MONJORONSON:  That is correct.

MMc:  We should not be confused, so when individuals are saying that they don’t believe in you because a certain human individual put you forward, is [because] they are confused in their thinking?

MONJORONSON:  Either they are confused or they refuse to accept evidence of our work.  What is remarkable, my friend, is that—and most difficult for us, of course—is that the same holds true for your political and commercial leaders is that an individual who has risen to eminence—socially, economically, politically, militarily—arisen to eminence upon the pillars of truth and enlightenment and diligence and faithful actions, can eventually stumble and make erroneous decisions willfully, or through the degeneration of their mind mechanism.  So you have a doubly, and triply difficult way to proceed in your lives, as you must continue to question even those who have proven faithful service to their fellow brothers and sisters of humankind and to our Father.  There is always the eventuality that they may stumble and fall, either intentionally and consciously, or through the travesties of time and degeneration of their brain and their mind mechanism.  This is most difficult.  You can see how we have worked so hard to develop firewalls against the inherent difficulties mortals have with them.  In a degenerate, difficult society that has immense potential for good, its individuals are the same, but they always must work to guard against their deterioration and laziness and even conscious wrongdoing.

MMc:  Yes, a society that has an immense potential for good, but it almost never lives up to that potential in any way.

Recreating our cultures from within

MONJORONSON:  That is correct.  You see our efforts on the surface; what you do not see are our efforts globally to literally reinvent your cultures and to bring about those bits of “yeast” and “nutrients” that support a new culture or right thinking and right action and right development.  Where the safeguard of the culture is within the social mechanism that involves many people across nations and trans-nationally and internationally, so that there is a uniformity of truth revelation that can be generated from local individuals and teams to validate truth and to invalidate those statements which present themselves “as the truth.”  You are seeing the very surface, the veneer of our work when you speak of the archives, and you speak of this human organization of committees and groups and associations, and their work to support each other; what it does not show you is the tremendous work that is going on in your world by our midwayers and angels and Melchizedeks to not just regenerate your cultures, but to recreate your cultures from within through processes which may not appear to be highly spiritual, but change the way people think about themselves and think about others.  When these two influences meet, then you will see a tremendous change take place in your world.

Asking those revealing questions and exposing vulnerabilities

Unfortunately, many of you will not see that.  You are the forerunners of a new culture of a new civilization on your planet.  We have begun with you.  It requires immense courage on your part to speak as you have today, to ask those questions which require great revealing and great exposure to the vulnerabilities of your humanness, in yourself and in your friends and associates, and people you work with.  We see and sense the gravity of your concerns for this—what you would call an embarrassing situation—which may make you look bad, because others do not want to hear the answers to your questions and embarrass those individuals who have promoted themselves before the work of Christ Michael.  This is certainly challenging work.  You are developing the depth of character, the strength of character that will last through your ascendant careers and be manifestly evident in your aura, your signatures as Finaliters and those who go on to become Mighty Messengers, who will traverse the universe.  You will carry that signature with you throughout all time and eternity.  This we know for sure.

MMc:  Thank you.  I don’t have any further questions today.  Would you like to say a few words, or should we end it there?

MONJORONSON:  I have concluded my message with that last statement, thank you.

Our “rocks” of steadfastness

MMc:  Let me say that I certainly appreciate your being “a rock;” that is each and every time I come to you, I find the same personality and that same universal standard I have come to identify with them and with you, and I certainly appreciate your being there.  Thank you.

MONJORONSON:  You are most welcome!  One of the signatures of divinity is an unwavering love for the truth of God, as God’s light shines through the universe from one end to the other, throughout all time.  The “rock” that you speak of, the steadfastness, is essential to assist you to discern what is true and what is not.  Just as the archives contains many hundreds, if not thousands of wonderful, wonderful lessons of truth and goodness, and provides the bedrock of solid existence of Christ Michael’s work, so too, they reflect the divinity of the Sources from which they came.  This fact of discernment is essential for those who are lacking in mental capacity, but whose faith expands and is far larger than even the most intelligent of humans.  This is the truth of steadfastness of God’s love for you, which we strive to express in this mission, working with Machiventa, and Christ Michael.  My staff and I appreciate their steadfastness, their unwaveringness and the sureness of Christ Michael’s plan, which is now being unfolded in the Correcting Time program.  Thank you and good day.

MMc:  Thank you.



Conversations with Monjoronson #66 – Directions for the coming year – Dec. 04, 2012


  • Opening comments
  • Where is erroneous TRed material generated?
  • Narrow-mindedness and spiritual fiction
  • The merging of the two databases
  • Backup databases
  • Not having mortal leaders in these two missions
  • Update on the Second book being written for Urantia
  • Mortal participation in the second Urantia text
  • “When the student is ready, the teacher appears”
  • Other planets in the rebellion
  • Desire for a savior among mortals
  • Why is the co-creative solution being used on Urantia?
  • Michael’s decision to leave no one behind
  • What has Monjoronson’s crew been working on?
  • Hiatus in these sessions until more questions are generated

T/R: Daniel Raphael

Moderator:  Michael McCray
December 04, 2012
[Note from Charles on Dec. 4, 2012:

“This is Charles.  We wish you to delay publishing #65 until after the first of the year.  You may determine this to be a humanly cowardly thing to do, but it is the most prudent in view of the tremendous program and social damage that would otherwise accrue.  The delay will assure the soundness of this transmission, which would not be validated for mortals until the clock and calendar have accomplished their work.  Even publishing it after the first of the year will cause immense damage to those who are peripherally interested in the Correcting Time.  Mortals seek consistency in all that is associated with God and God’s work.  This will never occur as long as this program has the co-creative relationship at its core of operation.  The validity of Christ Michael’s work in this co-creative relationship can and only will be validated in the years, decades and centuries ahead through its good works.  This is why you are called Agondonters – your work in faith that God’s “good” will prevail, even without personal and conscious evidence of His presence.  Lastly, you are welcome to post this note to #66 and #65 when they are published.  s//Charles, Mighty Messenger to the Triumvirate of Christ Michael/Nebadonia, Machiventa Melchizedek, and Monjoronson.”]

December 14, 2012

Prayer:  Heavenly Father and Michael, we once again gather in your presence intent on assisting Monjoronson in making corrections to our planet’s social structure.  Please aid us in our endeavors.  We give you thanks for our lives on Urantia and for the chance to work with you.  Amen.

MONJORONSON:  Good morning; this is Monjoronson.

Group:  Good morning!

MONJORONSON:  The mortal team is here—good.  How would you like to proceed?

MMc:  This is our last session of the year.  I’m wondering if there is anything that you would like to say to our audience at this time?

Opening comments

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  As you know, we have neither calendars nor seasons in the morontial or spiritual or eternal realms, that we do not have any significance upon dates or times of the years, or holidays.  There are no anniversaries; there are no special occasions to dot the year.  As you know, there are several calendars or time periods operating between earth and the various sectors of the Grand Universe and Local Universes, and upon Havona.  You seem to anthropomorphize us through the use of your calendar, but we do not recognize your calendar as such.  You have days and we have days, but we have no nights.  We simply roll the clock forward to another day.  It is a demarcation process for us, on noting the passage of time in local universes through this mechanism.  Therefore, the impending events that many have foreseen, whether it is from the Mayan calendar of many thousands of years of age, or whether it is the [Gregorian] calendar that you use in your contemporary world, these events and times mean little to us.  We have no anticipation for anything special to occur other than the passage of another day on your calendar and on our calendar, and our time clock.  We anticipate there to be no great upheavals or events in the next several years that would impact us, though there will be numerous events on your world which will have tremendous significance, most of which will be unassociated to any calendric scheduling.   Thank you.

MMc:  I believe Roxanne has some questions for you.

Where is erroneous TRed material generated?

Roxie:  Monjoronson, I really appreciate your willingness to be forthright with us and some of these questions may have to be off the record or adjusted for our reading audience.  One of the things that I am concerned about is you’ve addressed the subject of reflectivity in the past with us, in October of 2011, and after reading that, I’m still wondering how come [the author of the ABC Summaries] feels so strongly that he is receiving information that he is so positive is correct, and that he feels he is “required” to post these items that he says he receives by reflectivity.  Where does he get the information that he puts out?  Is it from his TR, from mischievous celestials, or just from his own very active imagination?

MONJORONSON:  I am going to defer answering the specifics of your question, as it would not prove satisfying to anyone, or provide greater elucidation.  We strive not to become involved in the psychodynamics of individuals’ minds in dialog through these question and answer sessions.  It is sufficient to know that he sincerely believes those events in what he “hears” in his mind, and is so convinced of their certainty that he publishes those results.

Roxie:  I realize that allowing [him] to post these erroneous documents and statements might be because his free will cannot be violated, that there is also a lesson on discernment for the readers.  What of the readers that read his statements, but do not read other transcripts refuting this information?  Many believe [his] documents because he is telling them what they “want to believe,” that God will step in and save the world from all the bad guys by fiat, so they do not have to deal with them.  You dealt with the gullible to some degree in the last session, but are there any more lessons to be learned from this?

Narrow-mindedness and spiritual fiction

MONJORONSON:  No, it is very straightforward, that it is one of narrow-mindedness.  I could also say that about this one, who seems to be narrow-minded, as he does not take into his reading schedule those reports which he feels are erroneous, whether they deal with demon worship or whether they deal with the spiritual fiction that seems to emanate from many sources.  This too, is dangerous in some degree, as he does not have the morontial capacity to discern quickly which is of God and which is not.  Narrow-mindedness can work for you and can work against you.  The gullibility and the penchant for self-deception are high in many mortals.  Seeking the truth and using the science and the art of discretion are activities which many people do not practice and do not care to, as it makes them responsible for their discernment.  [If you are] undiscerning, then you also become responsible for it ultimately, but in your own mind, you are accepting it from another source without question.  A questioning mind then becomes much more responsible for the direction and course of the [mortal’s] life.  It does create a certain degree of existential angst for those beliefs that are held in mind and held and lived out in one’s life.  The lessons are very few here; it is fundamentally to keep your eye and your mind on God and seek to do ‘good’ and be careful of information that asks you to look askance at the Source and Center of the universe.

The merging of the two databases

Roxie:  Last time, you talked about the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission’s documents all being merged into the same database.  Some transcripts I find difficult to decide which mission they belong in because they have information both for the individual’s spiritual growth and for the developing of sustainable social practices.  Do you have any guidelines that we should be using in order to separate them appropriately?

MONJORONSON:  Not at this time.  You will see a means of doing so in approximately two years or less.

Backup databases

Roxie:  You also discussed last time how precarious the database was.  I wondered about the database that Rob Davis has created for the transcripts under his Daynal Institute.  Do you have any comments about whether this archive meets with your needs and can serve as a backup?

MONJORONSON:  It can serve as a backup; it is not an exact replica of the archives, but it need not be either.  Your technologies are still very new and immature and data storage is fairly straightforward, though the process of searching has become more and more refined and will become even more refined within the next ten years and will have a tremendous impact upon how people learn and how they have access to information, and how information is retrieved and delivered to them.  Do not be overly concerned about this at this time; there are other individuals, such as yourself, who have kept a long-term archive, both in hard copy and in digital form of the Teaching Mission archives, though it may not be complete.  This was a concern, but is not of any paramount concern to us.

Not having mortal leaders in these two missions

Roxie:  I very much appreciated what you said last time about not having mortal leaders in these two missions, that the leaders to trust are the Eternal Father, Christ Michael, Nebadonia, yourself and Machiventa.  Thank you for this insight.  If we mortals all accept that wise advice, we would stop a lot of the competition that tends to pull our two missions apart.  Have you further comments on the benefits of this that you see from your perspective?  You did mention depth of character along with that, but is there anything else?


Update on the Second book being written for Urantia

Roxie:  Could we have an update on the book being written by the Second Revelatory Commission?  I don’t know that I trust [the] statement about it being released next year.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, one moment.  There was a proposal submitted by Gabriel to Christ Michael of the potential necessity of a Second Revelatory Commission for Urantia.  This has been accepted and there is now a Revelatory Commission that has begun to gather in this new association.  Again, it is comprised mainly of Melchizedeks, with the overseer-ship of one who is less than Gabriel.  The mission will be concerned with all of the planets that were in the rebellion, [including] Urantia, as one of the many planets that are now in recovery.  It will explain the recovery methods, processes that are involved in each planet.  This document will be shared with each planet so that there is some comparison.

The intention of this Second Commission is to assist the planets that were in rebellion to once again enter the fold of the planetary family of Nebadon, that there is a healing to take place.  Each planet will have its own “chapter,” so to speak, in this publication.  We will not publish this for some time to come, as each planet—and particularly those which are furthest behind in recovery—are in need of their own focus on their own healing, maturation and development. Bringing such a manuscript or document into existence early on would cause further disruption, disruption as evidenced in your own difficulties between the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission, even though they are both authenticated and authorized by Christ Michael for this planet as part of the Correcting Time.  Such immaturity does not generate confidence in us in bringing forward any new information that would cause further division among believers.  You can anticipate that this document will be shared with Urantia within the next two hundred years.

Mortal participation in the second Urantia text

Roxie:  I know when you first announced this Second Revelatory Commission, you said it depended upon mortal participation to come up with questions that they had.  Have you received the mortal participation that you needed and expected?

MONJORONSON:  It is still in the early stages.  The participation that we see taking place through “The Urantia Book” following and through the Teaching Mission and Magisterial following, plus others who do not subscribe to either one of those missions.  There are numerous participants, but they are very similar in aspect to the awareness of those who are a part of the Reserve Corps of Destiny.  They have work to do; they have missions and goals to accomplish, but they may be totally unaware of their being a part of this activity.

Roxie:  Will this book also contain information about the growth of our scientific progress and maybe truths about our history that we’ve jumbled together nonsensically?

MONJORONSON:  It will provide a similar base of information as the tenor of “The Urantia Book.”

Roxie:  That is all the questions that I have at the moment.  Do you have any subjects that you would really like us to get into during these sessions that we’ve neglected to ask because of our ignorance?

“When the student is ready, the teacher appears”

MONJORONSON:  No, I care not to provide any at this time.  It is very similar to the old saying that “when the student is ready, the teacher appears,” and so it would appear that the students have enough work to do and are occupied with many events now on their minds.  I would not bring any new subjects forward at this time, but continue to emphasize old subjects, particularly the work of individuals to come to know the Father personally and intimately and to actually experience Its presence in their lives, to unite in friendship with the Source within them, to thoroughly understand the oneness that It has for you, as individuals, and for all together.  The experience of knowing the ultimate reality of the universe is something that is primary to the healing of your planet and every planet.  When there is sufficient percentage of individuals who come to know the First Source and Center within them through their Thought Adjuster, then that world changes rapidly.  It is a tipping point that does not require 50% of all people to come to know or to experience, but a significant number.  Their reality then has a definite “weight” to it to influence others’ minds; and, they will come to seek to experience it as well.  You have seen this phenomenon occur many times in your world, and it occurs even now with the mania to buy these odd little communication devices that people carry around with them; then there is a certain identification, a certain lead in curiosity to explore this.  That is so for knowing God as well.  It is why we strive to emphasize that individuals coming into personal relationship with the Divine is essential to their own personal growth and to the healing of their planet.

Mr. McCray, do you have questions?

Other planets in the rebellion

MMc:  The questions about the other planets involved in the rebellion:  Have they received something on the order of the revelation, similar to “The Urantia Book?”

MONJORONSON:  Yes, approximately four of them have.  Other worlds had a previous experience with an Avonal Son and had an Adam and Eve.  They were much more developed and progressed in their citizenship into the fold of the universe family of Nebadon and not necessarily in need of such a document.  You must realize that few planets express such diversity in races and cultures and ethic groups and belief systems as Urantia.  Urantia is a “fruit salad” with also vegetables and nuts, and so on, mixed in.  You have a highly complex world to manage and it was deeply in need of a central organizing document that could help Urantia make sense of its history and its place in the universe and the purpose of its existence, and the purpose of the existence of individuals.

Desire for a savior among mortals

MMc:  There seems to be a feeling of belief by many Urantians that our world needs to undergo a period of drastic change, perhaps with wars coming out of this, or a savior to save us.  Can you explain why this belief is unrealistic within your knowledge of how the Father works?

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  Let me address some earlier sections of your statement first, that there is already underway tremendous change and travesty and tragedy through cataclysms and catastrophes that will affect your planet without the necessity of wars.  Wars polarize and politicize events, issues and nations and are far more destructive long-term than are natural cataclysms.  Yes, there is a feeling within people for a savior.  Unbeknownst to your scientists, there is within the genomic program of mortals the yearning for an Adam and Eve and an Avonal Son.  There is expectancy within the very core of your species and of all sentient beings who will eventually be either invested with the Spirit of the Son, or the Spirit of the Infinite Spirit, or of the Father, as you are here on this planet.  You are programmed to anticipate the return of your Father image, your Father figure, whether it is an Adam and Eve or an Avonal Son, or a Melchizedek, or some Avatar teacher, a Master.  This is programmed into all races and species that will receive one of the three Divine entities as a personal companion to each individual.

The mistake comes when individuals on an immature and primitive planet as Urantia begin to seek that out and begin to assign that Savior-ship to figures and events and developments that are disconnected from the Divine Administration and Management of that world.  This is truly the case that is occurring on your world.  There is a sense of desperation that is pandemic across the face of your world that there is impending doom, impending cataclysms, the end of something, the end of their life as an individual, the collapse of their societies and so they seek to have a savior figure come to their rescue.  The messianic figure is not present in all races or species; it is something peculiar to only certain segments of your Urantia population.  However, it is also connected to the “savior complex”—you may call it—which is endemic to the very nature of your humanness, to your species.  Does this help explain?

Why is the co-creative solution being used on Urantia?

MMc:  Yes.  So, I think you’ve explained why we have this feeling, or this belief.  Can you explain to us why, in our present situation, we are dealing with co-creative solutions to the problems that we now have, rather than experiencing this savior to come in and save us?

MONJORONSON:  The question is?

MMc:  What is it about the way that the Father does things that we will not see a savior come in during the Correcting Time to save us from our situation?  We will need to co-creatively move from where we are now into a better situation?

MONJORONSON:  This is intrinsic to the Correcting Time; it is the co-creativity by Christ Michael, it was his determination in conference with Uversa and others, to develop the Correcting Time as a co-creative activity for the greatest development of experience useful to God the Supreme.  Christ Michael realized that the desperate situation of Urantia and two other planets was such that co-creative activity would and could produce the greatest return for their efforts, while leading the planet forward into the days of light and life.  Such co-creativity is almost totally unknown in all seven Superuniverses [but] it is not unique.  However it is very exceptional to the course of worlds, even those worlds that have been in rebellion.  This is the most astounding development in an area of rebellion which has the approval of those in Orvonton and Havona.  It is this cautious optimism that this will result in positive outcomes.  This unique program would not have been approved had it been seen through future annals of time as a failure.  There is enough to predict even for millennia that this program will ultimately be successful.  This has been deeply designed for this particular and peculiar time in the history and development of Urantia, so that the crises, which are now eminent in your world, that these will contribute to the yearning of individuals to seek that savior model only after they have participated co-creatively in the improvement and development of their world and civilization.

I am going to stretch your mind now, sir, that you must view planets and their civilizations in different ways.  Many planets have progressed through the development of visitations by Adams and Eves and from Avonal Sons, and its Sons, such as Machiventa, who was the Sage of Salem.  This occurs on other planets as well, planets that have not gone through rebellion and default and betrayal, as has occurred on Urantia.  On those planets there is no dependency that would generate from having a savior figure come there.  That individual would not be seen as a savior, but one who is a model to emulate by the citizens, occupants of that planet.  However, on a severely debilitated planet [such] as Urantia, these individuals would be seen as “saviors,” removing the responsibilities and burdens of helping yourself heal and save yourselves.  There is no progression in that.  The end result, if that did occur, would be billions upon billions of individuals who would be debilitated with this in their mind when they crossed over to the mansion worlds, that they would continue to be lost little children, little “chicks,” so to speak, in a storm, lacking the protection of their mother, always seeking assistance in savior-ship from outside themselves, and these individuals would struggle and struggle for eons before they came to realize that they were fully responsible for their progress of their ascendant lives.  They would be “damaged goods,” so to speak.  Therefore, Christ Michael’s program, while seemingly extreme and severe, is actually the best way forward to heal and to prepare billions of souls for an abundantly prosperous and rewarding ascendant career.  Do you see this difference, sir?

MMc:  Yes, I do.  It seems to be consistent with the same decisions he made when he was present on Urantia, not to lead a force, an army, in opposition to Rome to assuage its people.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, and neither did he emulate the guru, the “all and everything,” making people dependent upon him, either.

MMc:  I was expecting some type of simple answer along the lines of making changes by fiat that would not be in the… that many people would not agree with it, so to make vast changes by fiat would interfere with their free will.

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely, it would be contrary to a wise and capable Creator as Christ Michael is.

Michael’s decision to leave no one behind

MMc:  I wonder if you would dialog with me for a few moments on Michael’s decision that “none will be left behind, that all souls from Urantia shall be saved.”  This will mean that all will be saved to the afterlife.  Am I correct?


MMc:  Why was this decision made?

MONJORONSON:  [It is] in the best interests of the greatest number of individuals.  Ignorance is understandable and such decisions of mortality and ascendancy cannot be made in ignorance.

MMc:  We don’t really have this information because of the rebellion, we don’t really have a good idea, a knowledgeable idea of what the afterlife is like.

MONJORONSON:  That is correct.

MMc:  It appears to me that if we haven’t learned to live with it while here, we will have to do it in the afterlife.  What kind of changes would we see, what kind would we experience or anticipate in this regard…

MONJORONSON:  Clarify, please.

MMc:  How might our experience be altered in the afterlife with so many arriving on mansonia who have no expectation that they would be there?

MONJORONSON:  This has been explained before, that there is instant awareness.  Once an individual has been acclimated, they begin to understand rapidly their situation and have enough information to put their history in perspective.  Does this answer your question?

What has Monjoronson’s crew been working on?

MMc:  Yes, I believe so.  I understand that for you, one day is very much like another, while there is always some anticipation at the end of the year [for us], anticipation of the coming year, the excitement of the holidays may also be gotten.  What have you and your staff been up to lately?  What should we anticipate or be looking for as far as things that will be happening in our future that you may have been responsible for?

MONJORONSON:  We will leave that as part of the mystery and let you discover that yourselves.

MMc:  I don’t have any more questions.  Is there anything that you would like to say at this time?

Hiatus in these sessions until more questions are generated

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  If you have not noticed, we surely have, that there has come an era of uncertainty on the mortals’ part, both yours—the two of you—and those of our audience, and those who are an audience to other sources of information, we sense a cessation of meaningful questions and with the exception of one or two, which I answered in depth above, we would like to take a hiatus for a period of time.  Let us reconvene after the first of the year when you have your bearings as to what has been said, what is true and what is not true.  We will have our ear to the ground, so to speak, to see how people are reacting to the falsehoods that were given and the truisms that were shared.

I do not want this to become a superfluous activity, but one that has meaning, one that is not obligatory, but one that you seek, one that you are curious [about], one that you anticipate and are eager to engage.  We know that the audience—our larger audience besides you three—have their minds on many other things.  This does not surprise us, as there are many events in the world occupying the minds of mortals besides confusion between the different leadings and leanings within these two missions.  It would not be surprising to us that there would be a lack of attention for several months.

Therefore, do not be surprised that it is just the three or four of us, plus my crew, who meet occasionally for a private conversation.  We are not here for entertainment for the larger audience, but for meaningful direction and guidance and to assist individuals who seek understanding to have clarity in their purpose and direction in their own personal missions.  We would be highly open, available to giving direction to individuals who wish to know more about their own work.  The conversation with Jeff Cutler was most enjoyable for us; it was eminently sincere and authentic on his part and our own.  We do not seek, however, an audience with individuals who wish to meet us for their own titillation and amusement and self-aggrandizement.  We would reserve this time to those individuals who are particularly and directly engaged in working with us in the missions of Christ Michael, whether that is through an individual mission or whether it is a group mission as you have with the Magisterial Mission and the Teaching Mission.  There are individuals who are primary to the work and fulfillment at this era of time with the larger Correcting Time.

Individuals do have a capacity to make immense impact upon their generation and following generations.  The events of the contemporary times are such that you do not have to wait decades or centuries for the eminence for someone’s work to become known and useful, as was passed in centuries before, where the discoveries and insights of an individual had to wait decades and centuries to be acknowledged and appreciated.  Now that can occur within weeks, months and a year or two at most.  It is these individuals we seek to be of assistance to, so that we can co-create with them far more consciously and directly.

Do you have further questions?

MMc:  Not at this time.

MONJORONSON:  Hearing none, I wish you a good day and let us reconvene after the first of the year.  Is this acceptable to you?

MMc & Roxie:  Yes, thank you.

MONJORONSON:  I bid you a good day.